Why would Philly want him back? He is not a team player. He is a lousy citizen. And the Sixers stunk with him and are over .500 since he was traded. As a Sixer fan I say no thanks.
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I THINK ALLEN IS OKAY RIGHT WERE HE IS AT. I MEAN IF HE GO BACK THEY STILL GONE SUCK, SO HE SHOULD STAY ON A TEAM THATS ALEAST WINNING. AS FAR AS A.I. BEING I TEAM PLAYER I THINK HE WAS A TEAM PLAYER WITH THE SIXERS. HELL HE MADE THE TEAM AND EVERYONE OF HIS FANS WAS HEARTBROKEN WHEN HE LEFT CAUSE THEY KNOW HE DELIVERED IN EVERY GAME WHETHER HE PASSED THE BALL OR NOT. _________________ PUT ME ANYWHERE WITH A BUNCH OF BITCHES AND I BET IM DA REALIST BITCH THERE!
I'm sorry, but the 76ers literally just reached the .500 mark this past week. Their record was terrible last season. So how have they "been above .500" since trading Iverson? You sound ridiculous. That team can barley be a .500 team in the weak Eastern conferense and you are acting as if they are championship contenders. I can't stand how ungreatful some Sixer fans have been towards Iverson...Yes, when he was there he made a lot of mistakes, but in some ways he was also a reflection of that city...which can also be very misunderstood. If you want to blame anyone for that team "sucking" Iversons last few years there, blame the front office for not doing their job. And even while the front office didn't bring in the proper help for Iverson, he still kept that team competetive.
That 76er team has a long way to go before they are even remotely relevent again. And untill they at least reach the NBA finals (where Iverson took them) and win the Championship, they are not better off without Iverson. Good luck with thinking otherwise.... Anthow, that ovation Philly gave Iverson when he came back was special and it also showed how much people miss him there (I think more people would have rather him stayed then not). But now he is on a BETTER team, that is just fact.
How can I say that the Sixers are over .500 since the trade? Hmmm. Easy. I looked at the facts. Since the trade on Dec 19, 2006, Philly is 66-64. That's above .500. Now who looks ridiculous? Not only that, but from the start of the 05-06 season until the trade, philly was only 43-63. So as a Sixer fan I think I have some valid reasons to say no thanks to an Iverson return.
Again...the Sixers literally just got to .500 a few days ago. People look at the records each year and nobody cares about them being 2 whole games over .500 collectively. Iverson only had that current team for 15 games in 06' before he was traded, so YOU nor anyone else knows what he could have done with that team by the end of the year. So you're fighting a lost cause.
The fact of the matter is the majority of the time Iverson was in Philly he kept that team competetive and with him on that team, the team at least had a chance to win eachnight (there are very few players in the league you can say that about). The fact also is once he left that team became very irrelevent and it will stay that way for some time, as teams always do once they trade a hall of fame player. The fact is no matter how ungreatful some of you people are he at least led that Sixer team to the Finals, which is a lot more then this team is going to do.
If you don't like Iverson, why are you on his site? Why are you following him to another team just to HATE? Get a life, because he's obviously moved on with his. Continue to cheer for a team that is 1 game above .500. You people look and sound ridiculous to other NBA fans, trying to throw that up in his face, when that team is nowhere near making any noise in the league and he is on the better team. Again, thats just FACT. The only reason why the Sixers are in the playoffs right now is because of the weak Eastern conference they are in. If they were in the West, their record would probably be looking like the Timberwolves.
Don't blame Iverson for those Sixers teams...blame the front office for not delivering on their promise of surrounding him with proper players (its amazing that he even kept some of those teams he had at least competetive with the personnel). Now continue hating, I have nothing else to contribute to this ignorance. Some of you fans are so bitter, its pathetic. How about celebrating what he did do for that 76er franchise, instead of being so ungreatful....comming on here having the nerve to brag about a team that is literraly barely above .500... give me a break. Get out of here with that BS.
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Again...the Sixers literally just got to .500 a few days ago. People look at the records each year and nobody cares about them being 2 whole games over .500 collectively. Iverson only had that current team for 15 games in 06' before he was traded, so YOU nor anyone else knows what he could have done with that team by the end of the year. So you're fighting a lost cause.
The fact of the matter is the majority of the time Iverson was in Philly he kept that team competetive and with him on that team at least had a chance to win eachnight (there are very few players in the league you can say that about). The fact also is once he left that became very irrelevent and it will stay that way for some time, as teams always do once they trade a hall of fame player. The fact is nomoatter how ungreatful some of you people are he at least led that Sixer team to the Finals, which is a lot more then this team is going to do.
If you don't like Iverson, why are you on his site? Why are you following him to another team just to HATE. Get a life, because he's obviously moved on with his. Continue to cheer for a team that is 1 game above .500. You people look rediculous to other NBA fans, trying to throw that up in his face, when that team is nowhere near making any noice in the league and he is on the better team. Again, thats just FACT. Don't blame him for those Sixers teams...blame the front office for not delivering on their promise of surrounding him with proper players. Now continue hating, I have nothing else to contribute to this ignorance. Some of you fans are so bitter, its pathetic.
Okay, first of all, the question was about him going back to Philly. As a Philly fan, I responded with an opinion backed up by some facts. One of those facts was that Philly is over .500 since he left. You responded by saying that I sound ridiculous by saying Philly is over .500 since he left. I gave you their actual record since he left and you respond with "again...the sixers literally just got to .500 a few days ago..." No kidding. So what. That doesn't disprove what I said. It backs it up. You need to learn how to debate. You use facts to back up your opinion. You don't just attack the person you disagree with by insulting him. I didn't insult you. I expect the same courtesy.
Now some more facts. In the last 3 seasons, the Sixers were 20 games under .500 with Iverson on the team (43-63). They are 66-64 since he was traded. I consider that a big turnaround. And, Denver, during the same period was 58-47 before the trade and 74-56 since. That is roughly a two game improvement. If AI was such a great team player, I would expect better.
My other arguments were about him being a bad citizen and not a team player. Well, the police blotter and the newspaper back up my "bad citizen" claim. He had a chance to be a real role model (I agree with Larry Brown here), but instead chose to act like a child. I was truly disappointed in him in that regard.
The team player comment? I think you can look at the difference Andre Miller has had. The team plays as a team since the trade. If Allen had Andre's mindset, the Sixers would have won a lot more games. But he chose to be a selfish player. He took more bad shots than the rest of the team combined. No one challenges his heart. He put it on the line every night. But he should have had more faith in his teammates. That shows up in the Sixers box score almost every night now. And, team players don't abandon their teammates and demand a trade. He caused such a stink at the end that his team didn't want him around any more. Is that a team player? Not at all.
As for your question about why I am following him to another team...I like AI as a basketball player. And as a soap opera, he is still an interesting read. I've lurked here for a while and never said anything. I just felt I needed to speak up when it was suggested he return to Philly. I don't want him back until the night they hang #3 in the rafters.
Again...the Sixers literally just got to .500 a few days ago. People look at the records each year and nobody cares about them being 2 whole games over .500 collectively. Iverson only had that current team for 15 games in 06' before he was traded, so YOU nor anyone else knows what he could have done with that team by the end of the year. So you're fighting a lost cause.
The fact of the matter is the majority of the time Iverson was in Philly he kept that team competetive and with him on that team at least had a chance to win eachnight (there are very few players in the league you can say that about). The fact also is once he left that became very irrelevent and it will stay that way for some time, as teams always do once they trade a hall of fame player. The fact is nomoatter how ungreatful some of you people are he at least led that Sixer team to the Finals, which is a lot more then this team is going to do.
If you don't like Iverson, why are you on his site? Why are you following him to another team just to HATE. Get a life, because he's obviously moved on with his. Continue to cheer for a team that is 1 game above .500. You people look rediculous to other NBA fans, trying to throw that up in his face, when that team is nowhere near making any noice in the league and he is on the better team. Again, thats just FACT. Don't blame him for those Sixers teams...blame the front office for not delivering on their promise of surrounding him with proper players. Now continue hating, I have nothing else to contribute to this ignorance. Some of you fans are so bitter, its pathetic.
Okay, first of all, the question was about him going back to Philly. As a Philly fan, I responded with an opinion backed up by some facts. One of those facts was that Philly is over .500 since he left. You responded by saying that I sound ridiculous by saying Philly is over .500 since he left. I gave you their actual record since he left and you respond with "again...the sixers literally just got to .500 a few days ago..." No kidding. So what. That doesn't disprove what I said. It backs it up. You need to learn how to debate. You use facts to back up your opinion. You don't just attack the person you disagree with by insulting him. I didn't insult you. I expect the same courtesy.
Now some more facts. In the last 3 seasons, the Sixers were 20 games under .500 with Iverson on the team (43-63). They are 66-64 since he was traded. I consider that a big turnaround. And, Denver, during the same period was 58-47 before the trade and 74-56 since. That is roughly a two game improvement. If AI was such a great team player, I would expect better.
My other arguments were about him being a bad citizen and not a team player. Well, the police blotter and the newspaper back up my "bad citizen" claim. He had a chance to be a real role model (I agree with Larry Brown here), but instead chose to act like a child. I was truly disappointed in him in that regard.
The team player comment? I think you can look at the difference Andre Miller has had. The team plays as a team since the trade. If Allen had Andre's mindset, the Sixers would have won a lot more games. But he chose to be a selfish player. He took more bad shots than the rest of the team combined. No one challenges his heart. He put it on the line every night. But he should have had more faith in his teammates. That shows up in the Sixers box score almost every night now. And, team players don't abandon their teammates and demand a trade. He caused such a stink at the end that his team didn't want him around any more. Is that a team player? Not at all.
As for your question about why I am following him to another team...I like AI as a basketball player. And as a soap opera, he is still an interesting read. I've lurked here for a while and never said anything. I just felt I needed to speak up when it was suggested he return to Philly. I don't want him back until the night they hang #3 in the rafters.
^^ All that is good for you. You don't want him back, i'm sure he can care less. Again, continue cheering for a team that is 1 game above .500. He had enough faith to stick around for 10 years with minimal help. He was probably too loyal to that franchise, they did nothing but waste the majority of his time. You know his teammates didn't want him around based on what? Your speculation? Because Andre I. and his teammates have had nothing but good things to say about him when he left as far as i've read (i'm sure the ridiculous Philly media will have you thinking otherwise). Your just talking a bunch of nonsense. Its no secret that the 76er teams were built on Iverson scoring a certain amount of points eachnight, if the organization didn't like...then they should have never told him to do it in the first place. AI was a monstar THEY created. They thought it was okay to continue to build a team on one mans back.
The hilarious thing is you are in this forum acting as if the Sixers have all of a sudden turned into a championship caliber team since Iverson left. That is far from the case, so give it a rest already. You are happy with your 76er team (for whatever reason), Iverson seems to be happy where he is...so let it be. Also, i've watched Denver since Iverson went there and Iverson is sharing the ball and defering more then he ever has before, which only shows proof that as long as he has teammates there to help, he will pass the ball (there is actually an article about that in the news section of this site, you could stand to check it out). Their team has had injuries to key players, linup changes and just about everything under the moon this season. Even with all that, their team is 15 games over .500 (haven't been under .500 all season) in a tough as nails Western conference. So there really is no comparison.
People like you follow Iverson, to hate, thats it, nothing more...if the Sixers where not 1 whole game over .500, you wouldn't even be here talking crazy. I've seen Sixer fans at the beggening of the year angry at Andre Miller...now all of a sudden he's the best thing since sliced bread? Maybe if the fans loved the new team and cared as much as you claim, that 76ers team wouldn't be 3rd to last place in crowd attendence in the entire league, the only two sellouts they had all season were the Boston Celtics game and guess what.... IVERSONS RETURN game (which brought the 76ers their largest crowd the entire season). So again, the Sixers and their 1 game over .500 are irrelevent. Thats all you need to know at this point. Now i'm moving on now, you can continue being bitter at Iverson, its a lost cause.
You are a hard headed one aren't you. You aren't even reading the words I type. You just assume I must hate Allen. I don't. I loved him as a Sixer. I hope they hang his number up some day. He deserves it. Just because I don't want him back on my team doesn't mean I'm "hatin' on him." You said it yourself -- "get over it, he has." I have gotten over him. I don't want him back. Not because I have any personal dislike for him. Because I like the direction the team has gone since he left. I don't see how expressing that opinion means I don't like him.
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All that is good for you. You don't want him back, i'm sure he can care less.
Right, and neither could I. I like the direction the Sixers are headed and don't want to look back. Sorry if that offends fans here. Not my intention. I was just answering the question about him returning to the Sixers. I at least backed it up with actual data instead of assumptions and putting words in people's mouths.
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Again, continue cheering for a team that is 1 game above .500.
I will continue to cheer for them in the playoffs, while Denver is at home watching.
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He had enough faith to stick around for 10 years with minimal help. He was probably too loyal to that franchise, they did nothing but waste the majority of his time.
True statements. I always felt that the ownership group was happy for as long as the seats were filled. They traded Allen because he could no longer fill the seats and they were actually forced to try to win in order to get butts in seats. Just another reason I was happy for the trade -- not to see AI go, but to actually build a winning team.
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You know his teammates didn't want him around based on what? Your speculation?
Actually, if you read what I really said..."at the end that his team didn't want him around any more." I never said his teammates. I said his team. And I say that because his team (be it Mo Cheeks, Billy King, Ed Snyder, whoever it was) told him to stay home. That is a fact. Again, I never said his teammates didn't want him around. You put those words in my mouth.
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Because Andre I. and his teammates have had nothing but good things to say about him when he left as far as i've read (i'm sure the ridiculous Philly media will have you thinking otherwise). Your just talking a bunch of nonsense. Its no secret that the 76er teams were built on Iverson scoring a certain amount of points eachnight, if the organization didn't like...then they should have never told him to do it in the first place. AI was a monstar THEY created. They thought it was okay to continue to build a team on one mans back.
I agree with all this except where you say I am talking a bunch of nonsense. I think if you really read what I'm saying, you might agree.
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The hilarious thing is you are in this forum acting as if the Sixers have all of a sudden turned into a championship caliber team since Iverson left.
When did I say that? Never. I said they are above .500 since the trade. That is a fact you can't argue. But you try to by changing the argument.
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That is far from the case, so give it a rest already. You are happy with your 76er team (for whatever reason)
Because they are winning games and playing the best ball they've played since the '01 season. And doing it with a bunch of young players (Andre Miller being the exception).
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Iverson seems to be happy where he is...so let it be. Also, i've watched Denver since Iverson went there and Iverson is sharing the ball and defering more then he ever has before, which only shows proof that as long as he has teammates there to help, he will pass the ball (there is actually an article about that in the news section of this site, you could stand to check it out). Their team has had injuries to key players, linup changes and just about everything under the moon this season. Even with all that, their team is 15 games over .500 (haven't been under .500 all season) in a tough as nails Western conference. So there really is no comparison.
That isn't the comparison I was making. I was comparing the level of improvement of two teams from a point in time. The number back up my argument. I'll grant you injuries and other circumstances have impacted the numbers. As far as having better teammates to pass the ball to?? Andre Miller doesn't have a problem sharing. Look at some Sixer boxscores. Several games with 5, 6, even 7 guys in double figures scoring. Check out the Seattle and Milwaukee box scores from the March games.
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People like you follow Iverson, to hate, thats it, nothing more...if the Sixers where not 1 whole game over .500, you wouldn't even be here talking crazy. I've seen Sixer fans at the beggening of the year angry at Andre Miller...now all of a sudden he's the best thing since sliced bread? Again, the Sixers and their 1 game over .500 are irrelevent. Thats all you need to know at this point. Now i'm moving on now, you can continue being bitter at Iverson, its a lost cause.
See, you are wrong. I don't follow Iverson to hate. I follow Iverson because I was a fan of his for so long. Just like I followed Barkley after he got traded and Cheeks after he got traded. I routed for them to win and I'll route for Iverson to win. Just not against Philly. The only reason I commented in this forum was because I don't want him back on the Sixers. That was the original point of this thread -- to discuss that possible move. Not because I hate him, or don't think he is good. Because the team has moved on and I think it would take a step back if he came back. He is not a good fit for what the team has happening now. The Sixers may be irrelevent to you, but look who has the best record in the league the last two months (the last 24 games I think).
We can continue to argue this, but it seems pointless. We should be discussing it in a civil manner. Please read what I wrote this time and if you care to respond, at least point out actual things I said that are wrong, or you disagree with instead of just calling me names and putting words in my mouth. If you can't do that, then I am done. I won't debate with someone who can't see beyond their own opinions. Thanks in advance for the courtesy I'm sure you will extend me.
Why would Philly want him back? He is not a team player. He is a lousy citizen. And the Sixers stunk with him and are over .500 since he was traded. As a Sixer fan I say no thanks.
Actually, now that I reread my original post, I can see where the animosity comes from. It was pretty crass. I apologize. But I still stand by my opinion of not wanting him back in Philly.
Again...the Sixers literally just got to .500 a few days ago. People look at the records each year and nobody cares about them being 2 whole games over .500 collectively. Iverson only had that current team for 15 games in 06' before he was traded, so YOU nor anyone else knows what he could have done with that team by the end of the year. So you're fighting a lost cause.
Maybe if the fans loved the new team and cared as much as you claim, that 76ers team wouldn't be 3rd to last place in crowd attendence in the entire league, the only two sellouts they had all season were the Boston Celtics game and guess what.... IVERSONS RETURN game (which brought the 76ers their largest crowd the entire season). So again, the Sixers and their 1 game over .500 are irrelevent. Thats all you need to know at this point. Now i'm moving on now, you can continue being bitter at Iverson, its a lost cause.
